Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

HELRAZR-ZN wrote:

If you dont want to share why post here.

if i post then:
1. i would get kicked out my club
2. i would lose a few friends
3. i would lose all my mates trust
if u catch ma drift;);)

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I don't care much for people who think they can keep their mods a top secret, I go out of my way to share my finding & info, that's just the way I am.

Until you proove what you are saying I am just calling BS on your post - like or dont I dont care.

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Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

teamcam wrote:
HELRAZR-ZN wrote:

If you dont want to share why post here.

if i post then:
1. i would get kicked out my club
2. i would lose a few friends
3. i would lose all my mates trust
if u catch ma drift;);)

if you cant share info I dont see the point of you making any posts at all

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Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

This is an interesting article, but i have some concerns.

*which pistons will be used
*some peeps are saying the 1zz crank or the 2zz crank. which is best?
*Can the blacktop timing gear be used on the the 1zz or 2zz crank?

....the 2zz crank its a little shorter in travel compared to the 1zz. could someone elaborate further on this.

Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

This is an interesting article, but i have some concerns.

*which pistons will be used
*some peeps are saying the 1zz crank or the 2zz crank. which is best?
*Can the blacktop timing gear be used on the the 1zz or 2zz crank?

....the 2zz crank its a little shorter in travel compared to the 1zz. could someone elaborate further on this.

Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

the 1zz has the bigger stroke, so that would be best in terms of reaching the desired 1990cc displacement. as for pistons, that is still something 2 consider because of comp ratio,Pin size & compression height

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i would recommend using custom pistons & rods with the 1zz crank.

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this is very similar to the 2zz stroker which uses the 1zz crank as well due to the longer stroke, bumps up the torque and displacement a little

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Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

superCboy wrote:

the 1zz has the bigger stroke, so that would be best in terms of reaching the desired 1990cc displacement. as for pistons, that is still something 2 consider because of comp ratio,Pin size & compression height

I was thinking of the same thing. I am very much interested in a build like this. but i'm going to do some of my own hands on research and post the findings.

Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

if you useing the 1zz crank, im sure you can get after market rods for it, some companies may make shorter rods for that crank, all that needs to be done is work around the piston pin,

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Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

Far as rods go think the honda rods work! zz crank in 7afe block piston perhaps ca18 flat top ? or the domed with some machine work on the top if the need for higher compression! It would make nice torque but not sure if it will njoy high revving with rod stroke ratio been abit in the bush with the longer stroke.. Ideal would be a stroked 4age but the crank comes at a price!

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RED RIMS wrote:
superCboy wrote:

the 1zz has the bigger stroke, so that would be best in terms of reaching the desired 1990cc displacement. as for pistons, that is still something 2 consider because of comp ratio,Pin size & compression height

I was thinking of the same thing. I am very much interested in a build like this. but i'm going to do some of my own hands on research and post the findings.

i was thinkin of the same thing. using the blacktop pistons with some custom rods that should do the trick!

Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

This project wont be cheap, a great deal of investment will have to be done and thorough research and findings to get it off the ground. So far i have sourced a block, pistons but the crank will be the most challenging part to find. I'm not so much worried about rods cause you a can get customized rods from many rod makers out there. as soon as i lay my hand on that crank i'll post some more info.

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Could someone help me find some info on the connecting rod bore and crank diameter for the 1zzfe asap ../../extensions/custom_smilies_2/img1/cool

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im going to be dropping my 1zz fe soon, was going to sell it complete but if you want some parts like crank etc, let me know

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im going to be dropping my 1zz fe soon, was going to sell it complete but if you want some parts like crank etc, let me know

How much you selling it for?

Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

1ZZFE crank:
Mains: 48mm
Big ends: 44mm
Stroke: 91.5mm

7AFE crank:
Mains: 48mm
Big ends: 48mm
Stroke: 85.5m


1ZZFE conrod:
C/C: 146.6mm
B/E: 47mm
S/E: 20mm
B/E width: 19.7mm

7AFE conrod:
C/C: 132.5mm
B/E: 51mm
S/E: 20mm
B/E width: 21.8mm

1ZZFE: Bore spacing
87.5mm

7AFE: Bore spacing
87.5mm

1ZZFE: Bore spacing
87.5mm

7AFE piston:
CH: 30.5mm

OK

The 7AFE piston will sit 3mm proud of the bock if you use a conrod that is 132.5mm C/C

You need a conrod with 47mm big end 20mm small end 19.7mm big end width and centre to centre of around 130mm

To get a piston with a bore of 81mm-84mm with a compression height of less than 30mm is not going to be easy.

There is a 82.5mm (STD) VW piston that has a CH of 29.3mm
Will be able to shave it a bit if need be.

Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

I will prefer to use the blacktop pistons doing this conversion, but my concern is the measurement in customizing the rod to suite the piston and stroke. Any help with acquiring the measurement for the rod would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

Skalabala wrote:

1ZZFE crank:
Mains: 48mm
Big ends: 44mm
Stroke: 91.5mm

7AFE crank:
Mains: 48mm
Big ends: 48mm
Stroke: 85.5m


1ZZFE conrod:
C/C: 146.6mm
B/E: 47mm
S/E: 20mm
B/E width: 19.7mm

7AFE conrod:
C/C: 132.5mm
B/E: 51mm
S/E: 20mm
B/E width: 21.8mm

1ZZFE: Bore spacing
87.5mm

7AFE: Bore spacing
87.5mm

1ZZFE: Bore spacing
87.5mm

7AFE piston:
CH: 30.5mm

OK

The 7AFE piston will sit 3mm proud of the bock if you use a conrod that is 132.5mm C/C

You need a conrod with 47mm big end 20mm small end 19.7mm big end width and centre to centre of around 130mm

To get a piston with a bore of 81mm-84mm with a compression height of less than 30mm is not going to be easy.

There is a 82.5mm (STD) VW piston that has a CH of 29.3mm
Will be able to shave it a bit if need be.

Thanks bro for the info! but honestly i not much worried about pistons or sourcing the rods. I have no time running around looking for oem parts, just gonna have the parts custom made.

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Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

If you are going with custom made parts then I would suggest to keep the conrod as long as possible and get a low CH piston.

Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

Hey guys, bringing back an old thread.

We have made a conversion kit for the 9age which is very affordable!
It keeps the rod/stroke ratio at 1.52:1 and uses a very long rod compared to any other 4a/7a engine.
Our pistons are custom designed and very short.
http://www.mrpltd.co.nz/product/290/7a- … -1-9l.html

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Re: Attempting the 9AGE Blacktop 20v Conversion

bazda wrote:

Hey guys, bringing back an old thread.

We have made a conversion kit for the 9age which is very affordable!
It keeps the rod/stroke ratio at 1.52:1 and uses a very long rod compared to any other 4a/7a engine.
Our pistons are custom designed and very short.
http://www.mrpltd.co.nz/product/290/7a- … -1-9l.html

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howzit buddy could you give us some prices in RAND value and also shipping costs if possible?

also the pic shows 16v pistons do you supply 20v pistons ? price? and sizes? and compression ratio?

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NB:Remember!!!
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but if the VTEC's 1st off the line we'll say he OUT LAUNCHED THE 20V!
sweeeeeet!!! we cant lose this way.......(^_^)

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If you go to our website you will see we offer any piston style 20v or 16v and in any compression from 8.8:1 to 13.8:1. Also in any diameter from 81mm-83mm

in RAND = $27,987.77 RAR
Shipping is $2,612.19 RAR

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